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		<title>By: Barry Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vance I couldn&#039;t agree more with your observation that &quot;the best CMS is one which won’t totally confuse my client... Usability and ease of use matter.&quot;

That&#039;s why we built Refinery CMS, a very easy to use content manager for Ruby-on-Rails. I&#039;m not a technical guy and frankly I find even WordPress to be a little confusing sometimes. When I tell our clients Refinery is easy to use I mean it! When they try the demo they see it for themselves.

Refinery doesn&#039;t try to do everything, but it makes all the basic tasks simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vance I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your observation that &#8220;the best CMS is one which won’t totally confuse my client&#8230; Usability and ease of use matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we built Refinery CMS, a very easy to use content manager for Ruby-on-Rails. I&#8217;m not a technical guy and frankly I find even WordPress to be a little confusing sometimes. When I tell our clients Refinery is easy to use I mean it! When they try the demo they see it for themselves.</p>
<p>Refinery doesn&#8217;t try to do everything, but it makes all the basic tasks simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eaton</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -

Thanks for the note. I think each of the teams can produce some &#039;how bacon gets made&#039; stories about those three sites. ;-) I don&#039;t mean to imply in any way that WP isn&#039;t a great piece of software -- AND a legitimate CMS. Rather, I was trying to make a point about the payoff and tradeoffs that come with relentless focus on a use case.

The fact that the WP team delivered the functionality requested by the client wowed a lot of people who thought that it couldn&#039;t be stretched to do what needed to be done. But I think it also demonstrated that WP&#039;s stellar UX is stellar in large part because it focuses on streamlining the blogging experience.

It&#039;s possible to do a lot more with WP, but it means building new UX conventions, administrative tools, and UI assets for the newly expanded set of tasks. The broader that task set becomes, the more work it takes. That&#039;s not a slam on WP at all, rather an acknowledgment that projects seeking to &#039;make things as simple as wordpress&#039; had better think hard about what &#039;things&#039; their users really want and need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt -</p>
<p>Thanks for the note. I think each of the teams can produce some &#8216;how bacon gets made&#8217; stories about those three sites. <img src='http://www.vancelucas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t mean to imply in any way that WP isn&#8217;t a great piece of software &#8212; AND a legitimate CMS. Rather, I was trying to make a point about the payoff and tradeoffs that come with relentless focus on a use case.</p>
<p>The fact that the WP team delivered the functionality requested by the client wowed a lot of people who thought that it couldn&#8217;t be stretched to do what needed to be done. But I think it also demonstrated that WP&#8217;s stellar UX is stellar in large part because it focuses on streamlining the blogging experience.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to do a lot more with WP, but it means building new UX conventions, administrative tools, and UI assets for the newly expanded set of tasks. The broader that task set becomes, the more work it takes. That&#8217;s not a slam on WP at all, rather an acknowledgment that projects seeking to &#8216;make things as simple as wordpress&#8217; had better think hard about what &#8216;things&#8217; their users really want and need.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, well, Jeff *and* Matt - I was also in the SxSW challenge as the developer for the Joomla! entry. I created ~24 hours of instructional video, none of which the judge watched. 

So, can it really come as a surprise that she wasn&#039;t able to actually save a blog post? I mean, it was as though she expected it to be as easy as WordPress. :-P

BTW - Matt - Jeff is the one who &quot;gave me permission&quot; to call WordPress a CMS as an uber geek who does so, himself. I&#039;ve been and continue to be a huge fan of WP and I&#039;ve also continued to point out the danger in under estimating that project. You guys are doing swimmingly. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, well, Jeff *and* Matt &#8211; I was also in the SxSW challenge as the developer for the Joomla! entry. I created ~24 hours of instructional video, none of which the judge watched. </p>
<p>So, can it really come as a surprise that she wasn&#8217;t able to actually save a blog post? I mean, it was as though she expected it to be as easy as WordPress. <img src='http://www.vancelucas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Matt &#8211; Jeff is the one who &#8220;gave me permission&#8221; to call WordPress a CMS as an uber geek who does so, himself. I&#8217;ve been and continue to be a huge fan of WP and I&#8217;ve also continued to point out the danger in under estimating that project. You guys are doing swimmingly. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan

Do not mistake the best with the easiest; WP is popular because it is free and because the platform is PHP based, there are many people who have learnt to develop PHP off the back of WP.

Sadly using WP as a starting peg to learn PHP is not the best judgement IMHO; to develop software you really do need to learn to do it proper... 

Besides, from the very beginning WP wasn&#039;t developed but hacked - bits of script from here, bits of script from over there - you get my point?

That trend still continues today. Pah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan</p>
<p>Do not mistake the best with the easiest; WP is popular because it is free and because the platform is PHP based, there are many people who have learnt to develop PHP off the back of WP.</p>
<p>Sadly using WP as a starting peg to learn PHP is not the best judgement IMHO; to develop software you really do need to learn to do it proper&#8230; </p>
<p>Besides, from the very beginning WP wasn&#8217;t developed but hacked &#8211; bits of script from here, bits of script from over there &#8211; you get my point?</p>
<p>That trend still continues today. Pah!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wordpress is the best CMS out there, look at the top 100 design agencies, developers, content providers and see which one the majority use. It isn&#039;t a coincidence, the best people like working with the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WordPress is the best CMS out there, look at the top 100 design agencies, developers, content providers and see which one the majority use. It isn&#8217;t a coincidence, the best people like working with the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasin Hayder</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasin Hayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am not really misinterpreting the word &quot;CMS&quot;, it means content management system. Now how WP actually differs from that? It lets you write your content, display any way you would like to display it. And most of all, it let you do everything at ease. And who said in the world that BLOG is not a CMS?

Just display your content as it looks like a daily log, and here you go :) - You can develop a blog using any CMS, and vice versa, you can develop any sort of Content filled site using WP. 

Now I think, you are just narrowing the definition a bit too much. WP is one of the best Content-Management-System I&#039;ve ever seen and worked with. 

I am very much happy that WP got what it deserves. Thanks for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am not really misinterpreting the word &#8220;CMS&#8221;, it means content management system. Now how WP actually differs from that? It lets you write your content, display any way you would like to display it. And most of all, it let you do everything at ease. And who said in the world that BLOG is not a CMS?</p>
<p>Just display your content as it looks like a daily log, and here you go <img src='http://www.vancelucas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; You can develop a blog using any CMS, and vice versa, you can develop any sort of Content filled site using WP. </p>
<p>Now I think, you are just narrowing the definition a bit too much. WP is one of the best Content-Management-System I&#8217;ve ever seen and worked with. </p>
<p>I am very much happy that WP got what it deserves. Thanks for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.vancelucas.com/blog/wordpress-and-the-open-source-cms-award/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is people vote on this award.. WP has a huge userbase so alot of people vote for it :) In my opinion Concrete5 is one of the coolest CMS there is now.. but it has little traction compared to the big ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is people vote on this award.. WP has a huge userbase so alot of people vote for it <img src='http://www.vancelucas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In my opinion Concrete5 is one of the coolest CMS there is now.. but it has little traction compared to the big ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, being also a part of the SxSW showdown, I think the testing/judging mechanism was admittedly anecdotal and heavily biased with WP going third in hours-long testing from a single person who was hungry and grumpy.

I&#039;m fine with people continuing to say WordPress is not a CMS, we keep trucking on regardless. It doesn&#039;t really matter what people call us, we&#039;re not &quot;a CMS,&quot; we&#039;re WordPress, and that evolves and changes every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, being also a part of the SxSW showdown, I think the testing/judging mechanism was admittedly anecdotal and heavily biased with WP going third in hours-long testing from a single person who was hungry and grumpy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fine with people continuing to say WordPress is not a CMS, we keep trucking on regardless. It doesn&#8217;t really matter what people call us, we&#8217;re not &#8220;a CMS,&#8221; we&#8217;re WordPress, and that evolves and changes every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just digusted at the fact WP won any sort of award because of the security issues the software has had over the course of it&#039;s history.

The codebase is a complete and utter -beep- mess so just how did we arrive at this point? WP is a blog and if you want it to do anything more then you hack it... the general premise in the WP community I suspect.

Out go best practices, domain modeling, proper software engineering, etc. Security? Who cares!

Makes you puke all over the place :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just digusted at the fact WP won any sort of award because of the security issues the software has had over the course of it&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>The codebase is a complete and utter -beep- mess so just how did we arrive at this point? WP is a blog and if you want it to do anything more then you hack it&#8230; the general premise in the WP community I suspect.</p>
<p>Out go best practices, domain modeling, proper software engineering, etc. Security? Who cares!</p>
<p>Makes you puke all over the place <img src='http://www.vancelucas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vance Lucas&#8217; Blog: Why WordPress Should Not Have Won the Open Source CMS Award &#124; Webs Developer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Lucas&#8217; Blog: Why WordPress Should Not Have Won the Open Source CMS Award &#124; Webs Developer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lucas has an opinion on WordPress being named the best Open Source CMS by Packt Publishing recently.   My knee-jerk [...]</description>
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